The Cacophony Sessions

S4E02 - The Fab Four

• Dan Whitell • Season 4 • Episode 2

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April’s Cacophony Sessions Podcast is an episode in which Dan Whitell, joined by Tom, Martyn and Dan B, attempts to discuss the most famous band in pop music history. We have divided the conversation loosely into four parts - our favourite albums, songs, Beatles themselves and lastly covers of their songs. Undoubtedly full of controversial takes as well as our usual party pieces such as Does It Slap; this episode also includes a brief tribute to another 1960s musical icon - the late, great Burt Bacharach.

Uncover their best work and their faults with us over the course of 90 minutes and discover the real reason  Martyn especially loves John Lennon. The discourse covers their body of work as a band but also their solo work as well.

After you're done, please check The Cacophony Sessions Blog for further updates, including how you can view all of our episodes in full on Patreon. As always, the audio of this podcast is available for nothing on all podcast services, and you can watch the first part for free on YouTube. We’ve extended the preview this month to include more of the meat and potatoes as everyone has an opinion on the Beatles.

Let us know how we fared on Facebook and Twitter and please leave us a review, like or comment if you can. See you next month when we’re going back to a more contemporary topic…

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Dan Whitell:

I've managed to listen to every Beatles album. at least once. I was gonna, you all bastard Some of them are good, some of them are not so good. I almost watched a hard day's night, but I thought it was not really gonna add much to the podcast, so I'm not wasting two hours of my life watching a Beatles You're

Dan B:

be better off watching North by Northwest if you want a train based film to watch.

Dan Whitell:

I haven't

Martyn:

Is that the

Tom:

the old,

Martyn:

Alfred Hitchcock film?

Tom:

Yeah. Yeah. It's a beautiful Oh yeah. It's amazing. I've never

Dan Whitell:

seen it. No. What

Martyn:

great

Dan Whitell:

great film, man. I've not seen that many Hitchcock films, actually. I've only seen, oh,

Martyn:

north by Northwest is his best in my opinion. Rear windows,

Dan B:

windows really good as well.

Martyn:

Yeah.

Dan Whitell:

But good old Jimmy Stewart, man. Yeah. a, It is a good film. It feels ahead of its time, even though you can tell like production values, it's not, but story wise it

Dan B:

Both

Dan Whitell:

got some red light,

Dan B:

mood Hell yeah.

Dan Whitell:

the Bette Light right there. That's the Pel Underground. Have you

Martyn:

got your pentagram going? I've got join, yeah. everything I can to get him to come around, but he doesn't. Back to the white light, whoa.

Dan Whitell:

Hello? Hello? Hello? You say goodbye and I say hold on to your drawers. It's time for the Cacophony Session's, lonely Club podcast. Tonight we take on the Fab Four in case you were born yesterday. This podcast has traveled a long and winding road, but I am the Egg man, not Dr. Robotnik. No. My name is Dan Whittle, and I don't do this by myself. I get by with a little help from my friends, and they are Martin.

Martyn:

Hello, I'm Martin and I don't have a one liner.

Dan Whitell:

Okay, Tom,

Tom:

you realize that tin food is just for crack heads and wars. That's supposed to be a question, but I fucked it Sorry.

Dan Whitell:

And b

Dan B:

I'm addicted to collecting vintage Beatles albums. I need. help.

Martyn:

Ah,

Dan Whitell:

It's a good one too. Good to get So welcome to the show, whether you're watching this on the free opening sample on our Cacophony Sessions YouTube channel, listening in on one of the various podcast platforms, or even if you've given five of your kindest pounds, to provide me with a a of income. And watch the fall podcast in all its video glory, on our Patreon. join us As we discuss our favorite Beatles albums, our favorite Beatles songs, our favorite themselves, and the best cover versions of their songs that there are out there. hit us up on Facebook. Send your tweets to at c Sessions Pod and poise your angry fingers over the YouTube comments section, after you've subscribed to our channel. for your takes and your opinions on our takes. bells, whistles, plugs, likes, bfat and jazz fusion. It's time to slaughter those long-haired, sacred cows from Liverpool, or perhaps not. We'll see as a warmup though. It's time for the quickfire quarry blast Uncovering the belly gems in our collective mind. It's time for, does it slap?

Martyn:

it's a song called Ethel by, murder Capital. And I think it's one of the most emotionally heartbreaking songs I've heard for a long time. It's beautiful. It's like Interpol, maxed out. It's absolutely wonderful. I know Tom has heard a Murder Capital. you, recommended them to me at some point. The song Ethel, is absolutely beautiful. if you like post punk fontain style, edgy guitar stuff, check it out. It's amazing.

Tom:

So It's a really good nomination. Mine, but does it slap, requires two of the other people, the oth I know the song and I agree. But neither of the dances will have heard of it cuz it only came out a couple of weeks ago.

Dan B:

just watching the music video. It's got a very attractive woman smoking melancholy Nick Lee. Yes. And, it's got two chickens cooking in an oven. confus. I'm mean,

Martyn:

Can I then pause it? I Feel Love by Donna Summer

Tom:

is that not on there already? no.

Dan Whitell:

One of the most important songs there ever recorded.

Martyn:

Marda

Tom:

is Yeah, you can have that the first important department. Ah,

Dan Whitell:

without that song, there is no, no dance music. No DAF Punk, nothing. I'm sure it would've come eventually, but that song is the spiritual successor too. It was Italo disco stemmed from what Maro did in that song. Very important. Loved Donna Summer. Before we get onto tonight's main course, some topical appetizers. who's got the news? Who's got the Blues? Danby, you're back after couple of episodes sitting out. so give it to me straight What's popping?

Dan B:

I've become very middle-aged and middle class. we're looking at Moving House. My recommendation to anybody is don't ever move house. Stay where you are. Stay indoors. Remain indoors. Moving house is just an absolute scam. You're gonna just have to pay money for every little thing that you do, even if it doesn't require any help, don't do it. Apart from that, done done nothing. don't move House. take that on

Dan Whitell:

Sound advice. Tom.

Tom:

I've been doing a lot of listening to music. I think it'll be linked on the blog at some point.

Dan Whitell:

I've already linked it on the blog, Oh, fantastic. I'll, I'll keep updating it with each post that I put up on there.

Tom:

Yeah. This year I'm back on the new releases again. I did a big catch up session where I listened to about 110 albums in their entirety in the past three weeks. 67 of them. I liked the rest of them. I didn't hundred Reasons. New album. I'm gonna recommend that one here because it's of bands that from the early two thousands that you really wanted to reform and to see live. Again, hundred reasons aren't gonna be high on that list yet. This album is every bit as good as they were at their peak. I think, Colin Doran's voice is still strong. They've still got a good chorus. It's really poppy. I didn't want to like it. I wanted to go in and think this is just like emo for people who haven't grown up. but it's actually really good. on a completely different note, I'll do more reviews of records, on one of our news episodes, I'm sure. Yeah. cuz I could go on for ages. My band that I'm in with Martin, I'm gonna steal his thunder. We are going into the studio to record an ep. On Thursday. We're traveling down to Cornwall on Wednesday. we are doing that age old band thing of renting a cottage in Cornwall and recording in the middle of

Dan Whitell:

Oh, you're doing it. Captain Beefheart.

Tom:

Yeah, We are that stereotype now. That's what we're doing next week and just been getting ready for that. really.

Dan Whitell:

Cool. Martin, anything to add?

Martyn:

Yeah. Tom totally stole my thunder cuz I wanted talk about going to the recording

Dan Whitell:

studio. It's what he

Tom:

what he does.

Martyn:

It's gonna be, yeah, it's what he does. it's gonna be be my first experience in a professional recording studio I've recorded at d b s with you, Dan. And, yeah, we did that whole thing and that was fun. But this is gonna be different. It's gonna be a whole weekend of just, hanging out with the band and recording and in an actual professional recording studio. It's gonna blow my mind. I'm gonna be like in my absolute heaven and it's down in Cornwell as well, so I can go out and walk around the cliffs and stuff and get all my muse on and all that. I'm so looking forward to it. It's going to be quite an experience for me personally, because in all of the years I've been playing guitar, the one thing I've always wanted to do is just be in a recording studio and, just lay down my parts That said, I think it's gonna make or break the band

Dan Whitell:

Ooh

Martyn:

either gonna go really well or it's not. And I just hope it goes well. I can't wait. Anyway, other than that, Tom turned me onto Slow Readers Club. Silly name, but such a great band. Again, part of that whole, like fontes style,

Tom:

I hate how Martin just groups every post punk brand in with Fontes, cuz I really don't like But I I love both Murder Capital and Slow Readers Club. There is post-punk. That doesn't sound like Fontes DC So these two bands are post-punk. that don't sound like Fontes DC but do sound like post-punk. They probably sound closer to early Interpol. Sorry to just jump in there, Martin. Carry on. No

Martyn:

Either way, it's great. And I've come to the realization that I don't, I haven't listened to shoe gays in a long time and Shoe Gays for many years was my number one genre. But I've come to the realization that eighties post-punk is literally my favorite genre. Echoing the bunny, man, Jesus and Mary Chain, all that stuff. I've been getting into Jesus and Mary chain again recently, like, revisiting them and,, enjoying them a lot. I think post punk is, for me, the most perfect genre ever. It's so so great to the point. I don't really even listen to shoe gay anymore. I'm so bored of like ride and all that stuff. Yeah. Anyway, that's me.

Dan Whitell:

I have been doing quite a bit Of listening, mainly to the Beatles. In preparation for tonight's special, I have listened to every album that they've put out, which was quite the journey and a lot of their early stuff is very slick, but it's very forgettable. It wasn't until later on that they, Started to make more interesting projects musically. We'll get onto that in a bit. That's occupied the majority of my time. There have been some new releases which will go over, on cat news episode on our YouTube channel. we'll be doing another one of those shortly we'll keep the new releases to that. Gorillas was mediocre. I didn't enjoy Algiers new album as much as I thought I would. But

Tom:

I

Dan Whitell:

enjoyed that. I know I'm gonna go back into it. Caroline Polo's album has really engaged me, though. I love that album. I said on Cat News that I was gonna go back to it, and I was right to do so because listening to it on headphones, it's a fantastically produced record with many great moments in it. And I'll be going back to that many times this year. I think

Tom:

there is a reason why it's getting 10 outta, tens everywhere. like it's not even my style of music particularly, but even I can listen to that and go, oh, it's gonna be hard to not see this on Album of the Year lists.

Dan Whitell:

Yeah. Yeah. Totally. In terms of general news, we had the passing of Bert Bak. he was one of the finest songwriters of the 20th century how David, raindrops keep falling on my head. walk on by which Dionne Warwick's Walk On By is one of the most perfect pop songs ever special shout out as well to the Isaac Hayes cover, from his 1969 album, hot Buttered Soul. it's a sprawling masterpiece of a cover and it really brings out Backer ACT's songwriting, and arranges It. Become larger than life. nothing that he put to tape himself of particular but it's just when he wrote these hits for other people, they were timeless. couldn't pass up an opportunity to pay tribute to one of the best.

Martyn:

he was a massive influence on James Dean Bradfield from the Manic Street preachers, and you can hear it all over, everything must go the album. You can hear that whole like big, massive orchestral sound. Very melodic, you can hear it all over the manic music after the Holy Bible. Sad.

Tom:

The

Dan B:

only real way that I knew of Burt Ba Rack originally was through the Austin Powers movie he what the world Needs Now and it's just a fantastic song. And then he came back in, the next film as well, didn't he? Oh, what did he do in the next one? Trying to remember now.

Tom:

I'll never fall in love

Dan B:

Yes, that's right. and although that was the only bit that I really knew of him at the time, you look at Some of the songs that he's got credit for and as in writing credits, just incredible endless list of songs. yeah,

Dan Whitell:

very sad, what a phenomenal, obviously

Dan B:

had a good life.

Dan Whitell:

Yeah.

Tom:

Yeah. I think in the sixties and seventies there was barely a year went by where he didn't win an Academy Award or a Grammy pretty much. Not it was nominated. It's insane. Like you look at his that's nuts you look at the honors list on just go to his Wikipedia page and look at his honors pretty much every year in the sixties or seventies you'll find something that he was nominated for. 69, he won both Best Original Score and best song, for. example, at the Academy Awards. It's pretty

Dan Whitell:

nuts. Yeah. We're talking about somebody who's influence, to the d n A of pop is as fundamentally important as the guys that we're talking tonight, I But back Rack is up there. I think that if you take, especially if you take, the Beatles individual contributions to music, I would say any of the Beatles as individuals, they're songwriting isn't quite there, but Baac is better.

Tom:

yeah. I think well, yeah, and I think that period at the end of the 1960s where back up really comes up, is probably the era with the most important music going on. Cuz you've got Hendrix making rock music, rock, you've got the Beatles and the Stones making like rock pop almost. You've got, Steve Rice doing his tape experiments, which go on to dev to create dance music as we know it, and those sorts of sonic experimentations. I'd say dance electronic music as we know it, and then you've got Burt back writing songs that are, classics

Dan Whitell:

It's a, fertile period. To name Check the guy on my t-shirt. Mr. Stone. Funk originated from the late sixties slim Family Stone, especially Larry Graham's base work. I listened there's a riot going on from 1971 other week, and it's such a sparse album, but a really influential and important And James Brown was doing similar, rhythm experiments, after the famous flames, when he had the likes of Bootsy Collins in the jbs. It's such a wonderful period, the late sixties. And, yeah, we're gonna get into it in a bit with perhaps the most I important group of the time. because we're about to kick back and are about to delve into the Beatles. They were only around from 1963 until 1970, so we're talking a seven year period, which is remarkable. Everybody thinks that they were around for a long time, but they weren't seven years. I think it's less time than one direction spent as a band, but yet all of albums are regularly listed the lists of greatest albums of all time. So there's got to be something there the best place to start, I think, is albums. My favorite album is Revolver from 1966. It's their first experimental record, coming off of the back of making rubber. Soul They'd mastered the slick pop sound. But they introduced, Indian elements, sitars. George Harrison was very much into his Buddhist lifestyle. it is one of those records where you listen to it and the songs themselves are quite slight. Most of them are short, but as an experience, they flow so well. And I think a lot of their other albums are lacking that.

Tom:

I also went back through all of the albums in order, in in order, and I can see this album is a very big turning point in their career in that. it's where they start really using the studio as an instrument and experimenting with, recording techniques. Now, I think they got better at that later on. I think the thing for me is this album, because, so when I was a kid, so this will explain a lot about what comes up from the episode. I had a cassette player in my bedroom for when I was about four, three or four, something like that. and the first one of the first, cassettes I had was, do you remember they did those, the Beatles anthology cassette box ca cassette boxes was like, and volume three was like 1967 to 69, and that was the one that I had, and I listened to it so much, I think the tape wore out and I can't find it anymore. So that era for me has a lot of nostalgia. So for me, revolver. I, listened back to It It doesn't have that nostalgia for me cuz I think a lot of us of our we grew up listening to the Beatles because it's what our parents listened to,

Dan Whitell:

No, I was never a Beatles listener growing up. didn't start listening to The Beatles and probably until I was a at the very earliest.

Dan B:

would say I'm similar as well where my parents growing up, like my mom, we grew up in the early nineties. My mom used to listen to Radio one at the time, so we'd be listening to some pretty terrible early nineties Pop I probably didn't get into them until my early twenties where Wow. you experienced music on your own time scale and, I always had this opinion of the Beatles, that they were some weird old person overrated version of one direction from the sixties. Cuz that's, I, didn't know their music Yeah. at least I thought I didn't. That was

Dan Whitell:

the you're thinking of the Monkeys

Dan B:

yeah, Do you know what I probably was, but obviously at the time I was completely oblivious. I had no idea. I just assumed they were some sort of sixties version of a boy band that had no real substance them. And yeah, now that I've become a lot more familiar with them, I couldn't have been more wrong. and I know people out there think, oh, they are quite simplistically are quite basic. Whatever I disagree I they've written between the four of them, just countless classics. And yes, They're quite generally quite shortish, simplest songs, but the, range that they have, it really stunned me when I really got into them. They're not just a simple pop they were obviously really popular, with the girls at time and they had that same thing that One Direction had, but they were a lot more musically gifted, I think. And that's what I was really impressed and Revolver, like Tom said, is a change in their sound and they do try and get a bit more. Yeah, like George Harrison's Indian influence is definitely shoving. Yeah. I'm gonna put a comment out about albums generally, if that's all right. I, don't, think The Beatles are a good albums band

Dan Whitell:

I don't,

Dan B:

their albums have a few good songs in them each, and then quite a few sort of, all right. Average e songs. I, I think The Beatles are a great band to go, right. Let's put their greatest hits on and you get. get. a good array of various types music, just from listening to some of their, not just their singles, but some of their better known songs because they are generally the better ones. this album is one of their better ones. I agree with you. When we were asked to pick favorite album, I dunno if I really have one. I think there's about three or four albums, which are all pretty good

Tom:

and

Dan B:

they've all got great songs on them.

Tom:

towards the end of their career, I don't think the albums all necessarily flow that well. I think there are two albums that fit together quite well as albums, but I'm not convinced about the rest of them. There is a lot of filler on all of their early records. I think even when their albums flow better towards the end of their careers, there's still a lot of filler. It's in better. This album has six for me. There are six songs on here that you can say to anyone in the street and they'll

Dan Whitell:

Yeah.

Dan B:

dunno if if si I dunno if I agree.

Dan Whitell:

You've got Tax Man, which is classic. Eleanor Rigby, which is among their

Dan B:

the best song on this

Dan Whitell:

this album. I don't think so. I don't think

Tom:

no,

Dan Whitell:

I don't think so either. I don't, I do think though, in discussing Eleanor Rigby, I believe it may be the greatest second song on an album of all time. It occupies that territory of getting past the intro and setting up for something bigger. And it does it perfectly. Then you've got, I'm Only Sleeping,

Tom:

That's probably not up there. The six I had in mind that everyone would be able to sing back to you pretty much will be Tax Man, ele Rre here, there and everywhere. Yellow Submarine, good Day, sunshine, and got to get you into my life. They're the six that I think everybody knows now. I know there are other ones on there that like you guys probably like better. and there are other ones on there that I like better, but those I don't think you can deny that pretty much everyone in the street will No. Yeah.

Dan Whitell:

I wasn't really that familiar with here, there and everywhere. before. I've heard it many times because I've listened to Revolver many times, but when I revisited it the other day, Felt like filler

Tom:

it's the chorus of it. Most people would be able to sing that back to you, I

Dan Whitell:

maybe it's because I didn't get into the Beatles until later in life because as Dan said, when I was a kid, I also felt that they were a sixties pop phenomenon. in the vein of the Monkeys. Growing up, and having a vague awareness of bands from the time, I always assumed that the Beach Boys were the musically talented and then bands like the Monkeys and The Beatles were Ripoffs of that. But in going back and revisiting a lot of music that period, I think that revolver especially is better than pet sounds.

Tom:

Oh, that, that's fighting Talk, man. I am not agreeing with you on that. Not a chance, I'm with Tom

Martyn:

on this one. I'm with Tom

Tom:

on this one, there's no way I'm gonna agree to that. There's no way I

Martyn:

is on its Own fucking platform.

Dan Whitell:

I love pet sounds. I really think it's an exceptional record, but I truly believe that Revolver is, the one good album start to finish. I'm not I'm gonna walk that back little bit because saying that The Beatles only release one album, it's not something I want to carry while I present a music show.

Tom:

just watch the YouTube comments coming. in

Dan Whitell:

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But I think it's the one album that I would say I can listen to and every track to some extent, it Carries an energy. from start to finish that I don't think have I'm sure we're gonna get onto this because I think that one of the biggest problems I have with a lot of Beatles albums is their insistence on letting every member of the band have at least one song on the album that they wrote themselves. And I think that many of the Ringo songs across their discography are so much weaker the other songs that they're writing. but I think that Yellow Submarine is perfect for Revolver. I think that it fits the mood of the rest of the album to the point where I'd say that on Revolver Yellow Submarine isn't the worst song. I, I would say that is for no one, the towards the end. I'd say that's the most boring song on it. And the one I would probably skip, nine times outta 10 if I'm in a rush. revolver it comes together for me as a more condensed experience than Pet Sam. So I know they're similar lengths.

Tom:

Pet sounds for me, but then Revolver isn't the era of Beatles that I know as well. What's your favorite album? it was a toss up cuz there are two Beatles albums that I would say hang together well as albums and that let it be actually surprisingly hangs together very well as an album. And my favorite is Abbey Road. There's a couple of reasons why I go with Abbey Road. It's got like three of the strongest songs The Beatles ever recorded on it. the problem I have with the Beatles after Revolver is The Beatles are to English music. What Monty Python are to British comedy. they're bringing in this very sort of traditional British whimsy, That I absolutely fucking hate.

Dan Whitell:

It's why I don't like Queen.

Tom:

exactly, it's the same thing. the thing is in small doses that little bit of British whimsy is okay, but like Sergeant Peppers, it overwhelms a large num Yeah. There's too much of it. Whereas Abbey Road, the British whimsy, all the few tracks are like a minute long and strung together in a medley towards the end. it's counteracted by the fact you've got Golden Slumbers in there, which is just beautiful and a minute long. it's a medley of great ideas that they never really fleshed out. it's got, here comes the sun on it, which is up there with their best songs. I think it's got Ringo's best. Which is Octopus's

Dan Whitell:

Garden. No, Absolutely

Dan B:

together on it and something. They're both

Tom:

Yeah. I think I really loved, as a kid, I always loved Maxwell's Silver Hammer. And I think, and I love that track. The vocal performance on O Darling is Really good. she came in through the bathroom window. I've always loved, a great song. I since I was a kid and it's less than two minutes long, so yeah, it's got a lot of their strongest songs. For me, I don't think there's any filler and the bits that are close to being filler are short enough it not to matter.

Dan Whitell:

I think. that, potentially it could be their best record. I think it's one of the few times where the track listing makes sense. Come together. You open with that. That makes sense. The ending of it, where it goes into the end and that, tiny Her Majesty but the end, is a perfect ending to their career. Yeah. This being the latest album that they ever let it Be, was actually before a Road problem. I have with Abby Road is it contains Maxwell Silver Hammer and Octopus's Garden in the first half. And I hate both of those songs, come together and something are brilliant. And then until you get to I want you, she's so heavy. I'm completely done with the album it a lot of effort for me to get back on board, which they do. It's over an eight and a half outta 10 record. We're talking a great record. I just don't think it's as exceptional as Revolver.

Tom:

I disagree obviously

Dan Whitell:

Yeah.

Tom:

I that's what we're here for. that is we're here for. I think for me, there were three Beatles records that my mom had on vinyl when I was a kid. And that was Rubber Soul Abbey Road And let It Be was the ones she used to put on the most often actually. I chatted to her about it and she was annoyed. I didn't pick, let it. be she maintains it actually at the time Hung Together Better as an album. and she maybe has a point, For their late era. It's quite a concise record. But the reason for going for Abbey Road is I have great nostalgia for if you got into listening to Maxwell's Silver Hammer when You were about five, you'd absolutely love it. Octopus's garden as well, we didn't own a TV when I was a kid, I used to watch VHS tapes at my grandparents' house was the only TV I got. So Octopus's Garden for me as a five year old was the perfect song to be sung by the guy who narrated Thomas the Tank Engine on VHS s I have nostalgia for those two tracks that I don't have for anything on Revolver. and I don't have for anything on Sergeant Peppers. When I say about the whimsy side of It and not liking that, I don't like any of that, that I'm approaching as an adult. But the stuff when I approached it as a I can like that.

Dan Whitell:

I think we've let it it's much maligned for the production. Phil Specter produced it as opposed to George Martin who regularly handled And a lot of people don't like massive orchestral, wall of. Sound, trademark that he has, I think that's unfair. I do actually think that it sounds fine. The problem I have with Let It Be is the track listing. I think that starting an album with two of us makes no sense. When you are finishing an album with Get Back, that is the perfect album opener and it, winds up being

Dan B:

It should probably end, with the Long and Winding

Dan Whitell:

shouldn't Yes. Yeah. All Let It Be. That's such a

Dan B:

great song. Yeah.

Dan Whitell:

Yeah. One of the twos

Dan B:

three standout.

Dan Whitell:

Yeah. other than that, there isn't anything exceptional on the record across the Universe is Okay.

Tom:

Dig A Pony's good I love, that track. I've always liked two of us and let it be, we used to sing in our primary school choir. It may not be their finest moment, but it's definitely catchy and deserves a bit of recognition.

Dan Whitell:

Martin, what's your favorite Beatles album?

Martyn:

It's gonna be Sergeant Peppers and I'll give only two words why. Okay. Computer Sergeant Peppers was like Tom said earlier, it was a band that used studio as an instrument and it absolutely changed the way that bands make music. it wasn't just oh, we've written songs and we'll record them. it's What do we have at our disposal? Everything. Then let's use everything. So for me, it's Sergeant Peppers it's a production masterpiece. It's absolutely wonderful and the songs aren't the best, but that's not the point. It's about the way that the musicians work with the producers and with the stuff that they had in the room. it's a very gestalt way of working as a musician and I absolutely fucking love it. Also, the drum part on on Sergeant Peppers, the song everyone slags on Ringo as a drummer, but nah, he was good.

Dan Whitell:

He

Tom:

Oh, anyway, He has moments of being very good, but for the vast majority of most of the albums, he plays. Like he's bored or high, or both, but every now and then he

Martyn:

bit like Meg

Tom:

Meg White

Dan Whitell:

That's what I had in my notes. He is Meg White. Before Meg White was born,

Martyn:

did what he needed to do and it it fit perfectly because if He was a better drummer than he was, it probably would've taken away from a lot of the other stuff that was going on in the band.

Dan Whitell:

It gives

Tom:

it room to breathe. There are a couple of tracks where I definitely think he gets the drumbeat so wrong to listen to dear Prudence, drumbeat underneath that so incongruous. I really don't like it. like it's, that is a really good song Ruined by a drumbeat is just, the way he's playing with the time really annoys me.

Martyn:

I am gonna disagree with that. I think his drum part on that song is perfect,

Tom:

Oh, I know. it really draws with me.

Martyn:

It's not right. And that's the point. It's off. And that's the beautiful thing about it,

Tom:

yeah. It doesn't sound like it's deliberately off though. That's the thing. It sounds a, that

Martyn:

it

Tom:

even better better to play.

Martyn:

That makes it even that makes it even better. the The fact he played to his limitations He knew that he was no Keith Moon or John Bonomy. It was just like doing what he did and it fit the music perfectly.

Dan Whitell:

if you are a studio technician, that album is the ground zero weird techniques to get different sounds out of instruments. Exhibit A being the final track, day in the Life just that final note, it took so many people playing the same note on a piano. The way that they recorded it to, echo and service The crescendo to the album. It's amazing. and it is so inventive. But the songs, I, I ever have to listen to being for the benefit of Mr. Kindly ever again, I'll be a sad panda

Martyn:

I will listen to Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band over and over again and never get poured. It's fucking beautiful.

Dan Whitell:

it. does have some great songs on it. Lucy and the Sky With Diamonds is a classic.

Martyn:

oh, come on.

Dan Whitell:

Yeah. I cannot stand Ringo Stars version of, with a little help from my friends. I much prefer the cover by Joe Cocker, cuz it brings energy to it, but it is still a good song. getting better, fixing a Hole I'm 64, I quite like that. Yeah, that's a good song. Within you without you is but the rest of it's filler. I like. about four songs on it Out of 13 and it, for me, it's not got a good enough hit rate for me

Martyn:

that's a good point. It's not about the songs, it's about the, the,, the revolutionary way in which they absolutely, changed the way music is made. If it wasn't for Sergeant Peppers, you would have no radio head. It's simple as that. one of the most important albums

Dan Whitell:

full-time. is important to remember that one we're discussing The Beatles cuz we are not just discuss. some songs that. were made in a year There's so many facets to what makes them so relevant in 2023, many decades after they recording as a band, we're still talking about them as a culture. Society still time for the Beatles, And it's because there's other facets, such as the impact that they had on recording techniques. The way that they became, so famous as individuals within the context of a band So they were the first band where people would have a the band. Before that, it, was just you're either the front man or that's it, Nobody knows who the horn player is. they brought personality pop culture.

Dan B:

what massive bands were anywhere near as big as them before this, they were the first ever giant band. Really, when you think about it. Before that, you had lots of very big solo artists, or you'd know the lead singer, but you wouldn't know like the instrumentals behind them.

Dan Whitell:

Yeah. It was composers, so somebody would be popular be like Duke Ellington, and it would be his orchestra playing songs that composed. Whereas when The Beatles become big, suddenly it's the people making the music that are the celebrities Fronting the whole thing, and they've this mass popularity, a hysteria, and suddenly they're accessible to children, teenagers. They almost created pop culture as you know it today.

Tom:

And what sort is they did it by essentially starting off with quite derivative pop Rock. Really? Like they, their first record particularly wasn't doing anything particularly new, but sold loads and all their follow-ups did. This is what I find odd about the Beatles, We remember them now for the late sixties to the seventies for the choruses on. And I think as well, the other reason we remember the Beatles now is their songs always sound better in their, in your head than they do on the record. Bear with me on this. So if you walk round, you could sing the chorus to yesterday or probably the whole song Off by Heart. And in your head, that song sounds amazing on the recording. And then you go back and listen to the recording and it's a little bit It's basic. Yeah. Strength of, the vocal part particularly is why we, and the recordings, it's, I find it amazing how they got big off the back of doing stuff that everyone else was doing well, and then they just carried on and then they didn't do the weird stuff until after they were already the biggest band in the world.

Dan Whitell:

They were covering the Isley Brothers contemporary acts, if you put on any of their early sixties albums, it doesn't sound any better than something that any rock roll or soul r and b bands were putting out. It's all very much just generic.

Tom:

Three minute pop songs.

Martyn:

I, think you've also gotta remember as well, the Beatles were. uh, Four lads from Liverpool who hung out mates and they're all very good looking lads. And like it goes beyond the music. It goes into like the image as well they looked good on posters, didn't they?

Dan Whitell:

of image, how is Tom all four of the Beatles on, I had a look at that cover,,and I couldn't tell which you look like most. So I came to the conclusion that you are all four of the on that album you're a, pop culture icon,

Tom:

something that. If only that was in fashion today, I'd be sorted.

Dan Whitell:

Dan, what's your favorite Beatles album? You haven't said?

Dan B:

I don't really have one I know we were forced to pick one You know when you like, I wanna sit on the

Tom:

At gunpoint,

Dan B:

go behind the, scenes here say that we were made to pick one. Coincident conveniently, should I say, I picked one that nobody else had done, although again, I could be swayed for any of the other three, to be honest with you I went for the white album or the self-titled album but it's got problems. Don't get me wrong.

Dan Whitell:

Oh, yeah,

Dan B:

it's the longest of all the albums.

Dan Whitell:

Did you listen to it in full?

Dan B:

No, I not. Yes, because

Dan Whitell:

nobody listens to the White album

Dan B:

before I got fed up with.so there you you go. It's not, it's my favorite in the way that it's got a few tracks that I really like I really like back in the U S R, I really like Blackbird. while my guitar Gently Weeps, I love those songs I said it earlier, every album has a few songs that I love, I think it follows on a little bit from Revolver in that it's got that sort of experimental style to it. They do. Again, I think you said it, Dan, that because there's four different people writing different songs, there's a real range to the

Dan Whitell:

Yeah.

Dan B:

collection, and sometimes that works where you go, oh, look, it's got a song like this, and a song like that. That's great. It's real nice variety. And then other times you go, oh, it's all over the place. I think it works in part in this album, but it just goes on for about 30 minutes too long.

Tom:

yeah, I think this album has the highest number of classics on it of any other albums, but that's a thousand monkeys with a typewriters, Isn't frankly,

Dan Whitell:

biting the White album.

Dan B:

was the the

Tom:

first of if you're gonna make a 90 minute double album in 1968, nowadays putting out a 90 minute double album when bands on average, what release an album every three or four years, it's impressive. But, putting out a 90 minute double album when you released an album, what the before

Dan B:

And the

Tom:

even, yeah. Even like every prolific artist who's releasing albums like that is gonna put a shared load of filler on that 90 minute album. looking at you, prince

Dan Whitell:

Hey. Okay. I'm saying it now. I think emancipation is more enjoyable listen than the White album no, It is twice as long. But that's because I'm a Prince fan. You're right, I think it does have the most highlights of any of Thee all's album on it because it's got some really excellent tracks. back in the U S R, dear Prudence, while my guitar gently weeps Happiness is a warm gun Blackbird, why don't we do it in the road? Sexy Sadie held a skelter and the one that I actually hated, but now think is genius, is Revolution nine. when you get to that eight minutes, 22 seconds, upon listening to the rest of the album, does it build enough to earn that status as, an experimental, bit of

Dan B:

Congratulations. You're the first one who ever

Dan Whitell:

that Yeah. I listen to it the way through and it makes Revolution nine work because of how big the album is. Goodnights at the end, but Revolution Nine is this combination of all they've been doing up until that point. I think it does work, but only the context, of the full album. Outside of that, it's just random We'll move on to songs, cuz it, goes hand in hand, With a lot of the, album talk. So my favorite song is also on Revolver. My favorite song is The Closing Track, which is Tomorrow Never knows. I think Ringo Stars drumming makes this song exceptional. I think it's absolutely brilliant what he does on that, because his limitations, nobody else would think to play such a clunky Tom based, drumbeat And I think it's phenomenal. it's got just the right amount of sitar Fading in at the start with George. Harrison's influence there. the vocals are great. It's weird sound effects. It's only a few minutes long. It's funky, which is not found on, many of their records danceable sound. and I just think it has everything that I want from a Beatles track. the moment I Loved Tomorrow Never Knows is from a TV show. Martin, you'll be familiar with this. there is an episode of Madman where Don Draper sits down at the very end of episode Yeah. And puts on tomorrow. Never knows. it represents How things are different from this point.

Martyn:

got

Dan Whitell:

goosebumps.

Martyn:

It's a culture show.

Dan Whitell:

Goosebumps. absolutely. and that song resonated with me then, I watched that show maybe about five, years I've still never been able to shake that song the song that I will go back to the most The There are other songs that I love, But with a lot of Beatles songs, either the ballads or the more high concept sometimes I have to be in a specific seek it out and listen to it. Whereas tomorrow never knows I can put that on any playlist, whether it's amongst Prince songs, whether it's David Bowie songs, whether it's amongst, even some hip hop. It's got a similar beat. it sounds like something that an early nineties hip hop record record could have employed as a sample. I just think it fits everywhere and it's an exceptional

Martyn:

I absolutely agree with everything you just said, and I'm really fucking angry at you for choosing that song because I wanted to choose that cuz it is my favorite Beatles song. too. you. it's a proto shoe gay song. it. is just absolute beautiful. like a drone, it's what a lot of my favorite bands do. They'll take one chord and you don't need a bridge. You don't need a chord progression. You don't need a chorus or anything like that. Just like one chord, fucking noise experimentation over the top and that's all you need. I fucking adore this song so much. Ringo's drumming is the best thing about it. it's just a wonderful tune. Being a big Brian Jonestown massacre fan, you can definitely hear where this song was so important in that San Francisco new psychedelia movement That I'm really into. It's not even really a song. a piece of music. it's an exploration of musical sound.

Dan Whitell:

It's one of the few recordings the Beatles that I think sounds. massively ahead of its time. I a lot of Beatles songs, even they're timeless classics, that they were recorded in the late sixties, whereas if you heard tomorrow, never knows and you didn't know what it was. it could pass for a late seventies record.

Martyn:

it could have been

Tom:

recorded yesterday and it could be still sound fucking,

Dan Whitell:

It could have, it could be on remaining light by talking heads. It's that kind of vibe.

Tom:

it would've fitted quite well in a lot of what was happening in the mid 1990s as well. It's a very good of psychedelia. This is one of those times when I say that, Ringo Star isn't the greatest drummer and he doesn't always get it. I will agree on this one. He does get it, right. it's a great piece of psychedelia, and I can totally see why you like it. And it's great.

Martyn:

there's a great cover of, Tomara Never Knows By Ride. They never did it live,

Tom:

but

Martyn:

When Ride did it, you would think that Ride wrote it. it's very early nineties shoe gaze. you wouldn't have known it was a Beatle song if you didn't know. it's that fucking perfect song. You bastard for choosing that Sorry.

Tom:

so favorite. I went for something really obvious actually. but as bass guitarist, it's gotta be come together

Martyn:

Oh.

Tom:

Because it's one of those bass lines every bass guitarist at some point will try and play it because it's really simple and it sounds

Dan Whitell:

I actually discovered that song through a cover. And that cover was on the second disc of history, the Greatest Hits Michael Jackson's collection from 95 and his version. Is basically the same, but he's just put gloss because he recorded it, I think it was recorded 88 cuz it's, actually in Moonwalk, the movie. He does a live performance, with, Steve Stevens on guitar, And the cover is very much a straight cover with different production values from a different period. I went back and discovered the, Beatles version and it's much better. a lot more raw. John Lennon's vocals on that song are it's example. There's a bit of funk in there as well. they clearly did their blues homework that day and it is a great song.

Tom:

The reason picking this isn't just cuz it's a great baseline cuz it is a great baseline, but it's one of songs that, it's very catchy. Everybody knows it,

Dan Whitell:

it has weird lyrics for a song that everybody knows. a lot of their songs were very esoteric they were referring to in jokes. they even had fun with the whole Paul is Dead Rumor. and they started constructing lyrics that designed to be difficult to into just because they knew that their lyrics were gonna be studied. There's a there's an interview where John Lennon said that it doesn't actually mean anything. it would just be fun, create something where people will study it in classrooms when it doesn't actually have a which I think is expert level trolling for the mid sixties.

Tom:

That's what he was good at.

Dan Whitell:

Dan, what's your favorite Beatles song?

Dan B:

it took me a long time to choose. I went in the end with the one that I've always said is my favorite because I must have said that for a reason. I went for, here Comes the song.

Dan Whitell:

Good choice. it's such a,

Dan B:

it's a lovely song.

Dan Whitell:

It

Dan B:

Makes me feel both happy and sad at the same time. It's uplifting yet the somber moments in it. And I like the way that makes me feel. It's just a nice, simple classic song.

Dan Whitell:

Did you get into it through the Gary Barlow cover?

Dan B:

I didn't know there was a Gary Barlow cover, so I guess not.

Dan Whitell:

You also didn't need to know there was a Gary Barlow cover, so

Dan B:

Oh now

Dan Whitell:

us never find that. it was one of the supermarkets, it was either Morrison's or or Saintsbury, I'm sure. And they used a Gary Barlow cover, of, here Comes The Sun,

Dan B:

I hope that supermarket has gone out of

Dan Whitell:

Yeah, I hope so

Dan B:

I was struggling. I wanted to choose. I got, I wrote a list of songs that I wanted to go for and in the end it was between, here Comes The Sun and, hard Day's Night,

Dan Whitell:

That's a classic. It's one of their best early songs Yeah,

Dan B:

it is. My son Alex, is learning to play the guitar at the moment and we've been listening to quite a lot of the Beatles together and he was like, just random last night. He suddenly went, I think I've worked out how to play the cool bit from a hard day's night. And He started writing the notes. He started draw, he drew the stave, he writing it down. Then he played it and wasn't quite right, but it was just one of those moments that you have and I think that's music being passed onto a new generation it was really special as a dad to watch that. Special moment for me, I like a lot of their, More meaningful songs. I like let it be I like yesterday. I like that sort of track. I don't like their ridiculously, I don't like Yellow Submarine and that type of track that they do. Ticket to Rye Day Tripper. Oh, there's so really good

Dan Whitell:

When you said at the start They're not necessarily an album band I think if you've got, there's two greatest hits collections from 1973. There's the red one, which is 1962 to 1966, and there's the blue one, which is 67 to 70. If you've got both of those, you don't really need a lot else, because all of their best songs on from all their periods. there are so many

Tom:

yeah, I've just gotta shout out Penny Lane cuz no one's mentioned that

Dan B:

Why have I not mentioned Penny Lane?

Dan Whitell:

Fantastic. Strawberry forever.

Tom:

Yeah, we haven't mentioned that either. Go, what's

Dan Whitell:

wrong with us? Yeah. Nobody's mentioned Aladi. Aladar.

Dan B:

I nearly mentioned it in a negative way,

Dan Whitell:

but Yes...Yeah. Actually I

Tom:

loved that one a kid, so I, I can't slag that off.

Dan Whitell:

A lot of the songs are almost, especially Ringo songs. and Paul McCartney to a lesser extent, a lot of them seem to be almost written for a younger audience. So if you are not somebody who knew them as a kid, it's really difficult to go back in later and go, oh yeah, I really like Octopus's Garden. It, just doesn't make any sense if you're not a kid. But I can understand if you've grown up on it, then nostalgia. Martin, you have a favorite after I, I stole you. first.

Martyn:

Yeah. you did. Still my first, but my second favorite. She said. She said, which is literally the perfect pop song. It's the most simplest of riffs. It's such a great little song. It's very short. It's just tell what it says on the tin.

Dan Whitell:

it is time to explore our favorite individual Beatle because I think help put some light some of the opinions that we've had and why we favor songs. I've got a bit of a, theory with the individual members and I'll explain who is my favorite. But I think that if I'm looking at the Beatles as a band, I think that John Lennon is the I think that Paul McCartney is the the Ringo Star is the. body, not like in a Jesse Ventura way, George Harrison is the balls. John, he drives the band ideologically, a lot of political ideas come from John Lennon. you can tell that from me. Stuff. and that as a kid growing up, I always thought John Lennon was the lead singer the case. if you're not too familiar with them, that can come across, especially considering that he died earliest. he's built up as this legendary figure that died far too early. If you're coming from an outsider's perspective, seen the lead singer. So it makes sense for him to be the head, the face of the band. I think Paul's the musical heart. I think deep down, I think Paul McCartney is most musically talented member of Beatles, purely from a melodical, perspective. I think he's responsible for,, some of the most poignant moments, some of the most, heartfelt ballads. but if he does skip a beat, we end up with palpitations. That sounds. Maxwell Hammer, which, sucks. I think that Ringo as the body, he grounds the He's got these underrated grooves. He's not the best body cuz that would've been but his idiosyncrasies, without them it isn't the but he should absolutely never be given any autonomy under any circumstances whatsoever as his completely devoid of taste. finally, I think that George is the dark brooding force that provides a bit of grit, with his guitar. I think with George Harrison being the balls of the band, he's, a constant presence, but you only get small flashes They are often the most memorable bangers. My personal taste, I am a Harrison I've been back and forth. I've listened to multiple McCartney multiple Len I haven't listened to any Ringo Star albums, he's got one single, that came out post worth to, and I can't even remember the name of it. I think the only thing Ringo did that after the Beatles other than Thomas the Tank and making that. hilarious YouTube video where he tells people that he's not signing any fan mail with peace and love. other than that, the only thing of note he did was working with Sheila e, from Princess with George Harrison. I think, I love George Harrison the most, not because I like I do like balls my own, but, I think all things must pass. Is the most capable record that any the Beatles made on their own. I think it's better than the White album. Pound for Pound, he has the songs within the Beatles. he doesn't get to write that many, but I think what he does, he's got a better success ratio than Paul McCartney and John Lennon. he is a bit of an Indo file. So everything ends up being about Harry Krishnas with Satar over it. So you got that risk. But I think all of the Beatles are essential. I think you can't have The Beatles without those four I don't think any of them had a special solo career. Even John Lennon, was only making records for 10 years after The Beatles, and I think by 75 he'd lost his mojo. I loved the early stuff with the plastic Oho band. cold Turkey, instant Karma. great after that. Imagine

Tom:

Double Fantasy,

Dan Whitell:

Double Fantasy is okay. Half of it's okay. The other half is Yoko Oho and I'm not a Yoko hater. I do appreciate what she brings to John and his art, and I think she does have a place on some of those songs in the background, but on Double Fantasy, he puts her up front on half the record, I'm not listening to that ever

Tom:

I don't mind it. I think his songs are all stronger than hers, but his songs are very strong

Dan Whitell:

starting over is a good final single to go out on

Tom:

Yeah. think so. George Harrison, the best thing he? did after, the Beatles. he was. in the traveling Wilbury, wasn't he? Yes, he was. Yeah.

Dan Whitell:

But he wasn't one of the best members of The traveling wilbury.

Tom:

That's, it's really hard to say who the best members of the traveling will you go through. Who's in the traveling? It was

Dan Whitell:

Jefflin or Tom Petty or Royal Oron?

Tom:

It's Roy ORs. Orson. It's the Roy Orbison is the is the correct answer.

Martyn:

No, it's not. It's Jeff Lynn. Jeff Lynn was the best member of the traveling Wilburys.

Tom:

they also managed to do some trolling, didn't they? Cuz they only made two

Dan Whitell:

albums. Yeah. Volume one and three.

Tom:

Yeah. Volume One

Dan Whitell:

and Volume. That great. That's a great joke. I like that George Harrison solo career. It is fine after all Things must pass. I just think he saved up all his best records for that massive triple album. And then everything else was just above average. got my mind set on you, which we've discussed on the podcast I think is an okay song. it's a cover as well. I don't think he did anything truly exceptional after that But yeah, the traveling world Be, is a highlight

Tom:

for me, John Lennon is my favorite. Beatle, I'm afraid, contradictory. Just coming, jumping in now. According to the mythology. At any rate, he's very much the driving force behind the band. I think he's got the strongest vocal. I think he clearly has a larger role than McCartney in the strong, in the songs that Titan tend to find the stronger on their records. he, brought the, experimental edge, I think later, particularly judging by what he went on to do with the Sailor records and what he was doing in his solar records at the, time when the Beatles were still together. I think a lot of the experimentation comes from him and wanting to do that. I actually really I think that, I think it matters

Dan Whitell:

fine.

Tom:

Of the I think his solo output proves Everything I liked about the band really came

Dan Whitell:

Paul McCartney's solo career, there isn't word that I can, it's not very good. It's not even that because there's a lot of it. He's been by far the most prolific and not just because he's still alive. Yeah, he is still even before Len and died, McCartney was making the most albums. He has McCartney in 1970, straight straight after they break up, which is I think Okay. But ends amazingly with maybe I'm amazed, which is one of the greatest songs then Ram, which is okay, it steers too much into folk, me to really get on board with it Then a lot of the wings albums are very mediocre. banned On the Run is an exceptional song, but there's

Tom:

Oh, it isn't, have you listened back to it recently? This is my problem. Band on the run it's exceptional songs. It's

Dan Whitell:

two good songs,

Tom:

yeah. two songs, one good one not so good that have been jammed together. it's funny cuz it seems like nearly every wing song. Is very much working in the same way that a Day in the Life worked in the Beatles. It's almost like you can't write a verse in the chorus that fit together. So you'll just write two songs and cut them up and stick them together. they're not even necessarily in the same freaking key. And it's it just, so, just, Yeah.

Dan Whitell:

You've got the, the first bit that's like orent driven, which is boring, but then when they're ba on, that comes in, that's good.

Tom:

yeah. And then it goes back to being shit again. Yeah, It's a good chorus and not much else. That's true with a lot of wings.

Dan Whitell:

it's a, it is true with a lot of his solo stuff, not just the wing stuff. I'm more

Tom:

familiar with the Wing stuff. And then he did duets with Michael which are painful.

Dan Whitell:

Say's a good song I like say But the girl is Mine dog shit

Tom:

it is one of the worst songs I think I've ever heard,

Dan Whitell:

It ruins thriller. how do you ruin the biggest selling album of all time? And you put that song

Tom:

Yeah. And then you've also got Mul of Kintyre Frog

Dan Whitell:

Chorus, or

Dan B:

exist. Let's just

Dan Whitell:

Paul chorus is the worst thing any of them ever did. I think

Dan B:

Oh, But it was so great on Rupert Bear That was on that photograph. It was Bear, it was great. But I've got, that was probably my first Paul McCartney I ever heard. Oh

Dan Whitell:

really?

Dan B:

I reckon it probably was, if I think back, that was probably when I was about four that I watched that. In spite of the Frog Chorus, he is who I would vote as my favorite Beatle.

Dan Whitell:

I'm glad we can have some because I

Dan B:

just just think he was the most talented musician. is probably why I'm gonna go with him. there is a quote, which is misquoted. It's not actually John Lennon, but apparently I think it was Jasper Karat, the comedian. Made this quote, but people have attributed it to John Lennon, a reporter apparently says, is Ringo the best drumm in The world? And Lennon apparently says, he's not even the best drummer in the Beatles. What he's implying there was that Paul McCartney was the best drummer In, the Beatles. Cuz actually when Ringo quit briefly, during the recording of the White album, He recorded, the drums for back in the U S R and a couple of other tracks. And, They were really good so not only was he a very good drummer, but obviously his bass playing was phenomenal.

Tom:

That's the one thing that I will give him. Is that in the Beatles? on that one. Oh, yeah. in The Beatles. The way that he plays bass guitar is hugely influential on what came after. If you listen to interviews the big bass guitarists of the prog acts, who then influenced everybody, you'd speak to people like Chris Squier, Getty Lee. They will all, and even Lemi from Motorhead will all tell you that the way Paul McCartney plays bass guitar is what influenced the way they played. That's how important as a bass throw. Cuz he's got a very melodic, so what he's doing with his bass guitar is most of the time he's either, he's not just playing The guitar he's not playing a root making the basic guitar play a riff in its own right. Which up until that point did happen, but common. that's what he did so well. I forgive him. I won't forgive him the, Frog chorus for his bass playing,

Dan B:

you

Tom:

but I nearly will,

Dan B:

the, thing. I think that sums it up again, I've got a real quote from John Lennon this time. he. said, Paul is one of the most innovative bass players. Half the stuff that's going on now is directly ripped off from his He's an egomaniac about everything else, but his bass playing, he'd always be a bit coy about. And I I, think that bit, but at the end really sums it up. You can tell Paul McCartney's an absolute egomaniac. So the fact that he's actually quite coy and quite, subdued about it means actually he knows this is the thing I'm actually pretty special I think it shows in the music, if you've seen any of the, documentary on Disney Get back some of the little, he just, when they're jamming, he just comes up with these little bits and you can hear the beginnings of what go on to be some of their other songs. And he is just got a really good natural, I think, ability to come up with just cool sounding bass rifts just out of nowhere. I think That's really talented. That's why he is my favorite. I also actually, another reason he's my favorite I prefer his vocals to John Lennon. I like John Lennon's vocals, but I prefer some of the more Ballad songs that we talked about. And to be honest, I think McCart needs the lead vocalist on most of the ones I like.

Dan Whitell:

Paul McCart

Dan B:

a bit of a

Dan Whitell:

of a prick though. Yeah. you're speaking to somebody who's just spent the last to, I think, what six Paul McCartney albums in a week. which is too for anybody, I think that, that incredibly talented. And that's why I think he is almost like the of the Beatles. you're right. He's a phenomenal bass player, but has no filter and he just Insists on for every great song that he releases, there are five awful songs that he's put out with and promoted as heavily. Just from some notes on his solo material, if you'll indulge me,

Dan B:

But we're on about best Beatle, not best solo artist. Okay, let's just, let's clarify

Dan Whitell:

It's important to measure the solo material as much as it is within the I think it allows you to see why they fell apart because they were all so different. and I think if they'd all stayed in harmony, the Beatles would've been a better group. I think they fell apart because they were all chasing love in different avenues. Paul McCartney fell in love with Linda and John Lenon had Yoko. George Harrison was party Boyd, who would go on to have an affair with Eric Clapton, And inspire the song Wonderful Tonight. fun fact about Wonderful Tonight. it features an Early appearance of Marcello Detroit, would then go on to be in Shakespeare's sister. In terms of listening to Paul McCartney solo records, McCartney two is a fine album, but all the high end sounds like Paul was spending quite a lot of time in the bathroom and just to move the equipment to him. But all he could carry were funny. kids microphones. it has more energy than the first album though. Good to see him try some new wave style music. when he moved on from I think he he became for one or two albums, he became a bit more urgent. a few bug bears on the album though. the song Temporary Secretary, for bar of it, he sings Temporary Secretary, when if he'd sung the full line in French, switching up for, secretary Tempore would work. it would be a more interesting switch. But then Who am I to argue with? A guy that wrote Pledge stock meat-free mondays.com. You can do it right now. Please. I think waterfalls from that album is a pretty good song. The egregiously titled Frozen Jap, that sounds like he'd been listening to Lowe by David Bowie. about years. Too late though., there's a tune called Room that's really cool. But one of my biggest problems, and that leads me onto this with Paul McCartney you said down about his vocals. I think he's a fantastic vocal but he has this tendency to do all these silly voices all the time. Cod reggae accents and really offensive, African stereotypical voices. And it really grinds my when I'm listening to Paul McCartney because he could have just done it in a straight voice He's got a lot of soul in his voice. If you listen to, Hey Jude, the outro that is his voice is amazing He's screaming like a singer. Tur of War, the album afterwards is okay, but it ends with Ebony and Ivory. he does a collaboration Wonder. the song watch that you are doing is really funky. It's the funt thing that George Martin ever produced, cuz he got George Martin back for that record. but a lot of his stuff, it's largely boring. And to paraphrase James Murphy, he was losing his edge to kids from France and London and Gary, Indiana and Minneapolis, Minnesota. He just lost his edge, and he didn't really have anything to offer pop music. After that he became irrelevant and he's still chasing that to this day. some great experiments. he has some Latin stuff on, dress me up like a robber. it sounds like Tame I parler 30 years before it out, But he can't help but ruin himself by finishing albums with Ebony and Ivory and putting the pipes of peace to open up a record or doing the Frog Chorus. he's just got no filter and he makes exceptional records and then ruins them by following up with three shit That's I don't like John Lennon

Tom:

was his edge and I think, and Paul McCartney grounded John Lennon. I think the of them together is what works so well. Lennon added some bite and some critical appraisal to Paul McCartney's work and Paul McCartney reigned in John Lennon's. You listened to the solar records that John Lennon and Yoko owner were putting out. All the Beatles were together and you realize that Revolution nine was about as far as Paul McCartney was willing to let John Lennon go cuz he was ready to go further than that when he makes records that are like 45 minutes of noise. so the two of them canceled each other out. I think I find that Paul McCartney's voice, cuz he always puts an affectation, like his voice on something like yesterday just sounds really quite thin. I think so in the Beatles, generally I prefer John's vocals, but then every now and then Paul McCartney will absolutely belt it. And you're like, where did that come from? Why didn't you do that all the time?

Dan Whitell:

Martin, who

Tom:

was your favorite?

Martyn:

I was gonna say London until, started about Paul McCartney and I was like, actually, yeah, you're right. Paul McCartney was the fucking best musician in the Beatles. But no, I'm gonna go Landon. And for one. Cold Turkey. Oh, what a song. cold. Turkey is just one of my favorite songs of all time. It's absolutely incredible. And that's why I love Len. I think Lennon was rock and roll. I think, Bellon was right in the sense that Paul McCartney was a consummate musician. George Harrison too. I should be, saying George Harrison being a guitar player, because, George Harrison's one of the greatest guitar players of all time, but now it's Sloan man. He was rock and roll. He He absolutely just hundred percent just, he was a visionary. He wasn't just about music for him, it was about like the whole of, wild abandon, I love in music,

Dan B:

He wanted to change the world, didn't he? I

Tom:

think he

Martyn:

did. He really did. And he was a shit as well. Yeah, he was a fucking, a not a very nice

Dan Whitell:

man, domestic abuser.

Martyn:

Yeah, absolutely. And that's of what I like, I like the fact you have a very

Dan B:

What

Dan Whitell:

that's not the take to have, man,

Dan B:

of

Dan Whitell:

all the things,

Dan B:

bit of the of

Dan Whitell:

the podcast, of all the things I like about the Beatles, the best was the domestic abuse.

Tom:

we've

Dan B:

got three of us with our heads our hands, heads.

Martyn:

but I

Dan Whitell:

know right. Come on, man. Yeah. Put this shuffle down.

Martyn:

Jesus. Yeah. But, the thing is about Lenon, who's, he was 100% authentic, and I love in my music, he was a genius musician, A shit person. Genius musician. And unfortunately we have a lot those, we have really amazing musicians who are not very nice what I think was really great about Lennon it, showed that up. It showed you can be a musical but you don't necessarily have to be a decent person, I'm, not standing for that at all whatsoever, but in, in the Post Me Too era. don't hear a worship musicians, because they might not be very good people. And it's that whole separate separating the art the artist thing. It is, it's very big on my radar, Beck's a Scientologist for sake, separate the art from the artist.

Dan Whitell:

Yeah, exactly. this conversation tends to come up more and more when we go back into the past and do specials Legacy Not all of them are nice people. And John Lennon, I think he was quite open about it later in his life. He did talk about how, he, think there's a quote that says that he to people and beat women if he didn't get his way. So he was aware it and he did try and change. And as somebody who is, preoccupied with finding out more and more about leftist values and socialism, myself, I do admire some of Lennon's tenacity with the political message of his work. I don't always think that it was that well directed. I think sometimes it the message got lost a I think me for instances in, Imagine. I can see what he's getting at in terms it, it's ultimately a song about leftist revolution. But I think that it's a bit overly simplistic. when you have lines like imagine no possessions, people then have that unfortunate misinterpretation of what he was getting at as just being like a hippie and a we should all abandon Yeah, our possessions When you look at Karl Marks, it talks about private property, and I think that's what John Lennon was getting at the abolition of private property as opposed to not owning a phone or think he had a bigger message, but I think that the simplistic lyrics of that song do it a disservice.

Martyn:

I agree. Totally. And I, think the thing for me about was he just highlighted the fact that, he was in the, probably the most important and biggest span of all time. And everyone looks at the members of the Beatles of being like, They're great musicians and stuff, but looking behind the surface of what was going on with them there, was some serious going on. Lebanon was not a nice man, and that kind of carries through to quite a lot the musicians that we look up pretty much every single musician that we all hear a worship probably had some problematic stuff going on in their life, their personal life. And Lenon is The standard bearer. for Not hero worshiping your heroes. Yeah.

Dan Whitell:

Like Chuck Berry or James Brown.

Martyn:

Yeah.

Dan Whitell:

Jim Jimmy Page,

Dan B:

talk about the sort of anger between the members of the band. I think there could be an argument for the fact that without that tension they maybe wouldn't have produced as interesting things. If they just said, do you know what John? You go and do everything and then we'll play it. And then do you know what? I think without them having those arguments, having that constructive criticisms against each other, maybe some of the songs wouldn't have turned out as well as they did.

Dan Whitell:

Yeah. I think that's why Revolver is favorite album, if you listen to that album, I get the sense that they all had The same mission statement in their head, and they put aside their differences of what and collaborated as a whereas the later albums from the White album Let It Be and Sergeant Peppers and A Road, I think that you can hear that they're almost albums that are made by four four different albums as to people making the same it's one of the most talked about subjects in pop music history, the Beatles, and I don't think we're gonna provide any astoundingly new takes, and I think that people either judge our opinions to be good or not based on the conversation so far. But I think one thing that you can't deny about the Beatles is that they have one of the biggest legacies pop act ever. And I think the best way to end this podcast round off tonight's discussion is by taking a few examples of songs that came after the that were directly inspired by them the form of cover versions. There are a number of great cover versions. So I wanna start. One of the things when I grew and I, wasn't that familiar with the Beatles, I, was aware of several Beatles covers, I, seem to think, it is probably a bad take, but most Beatles covers are better than the I find agreed. You are wrong. Absolutely. I don't agree. think, I think a hundred percent agree. I think that they're the easiest band in history to cover because I think that there are so many, and maybe it's they're just really good songs. And as we said earlier, sometimes if you revisit them, they don't sound as you imagined. covering a song will be able to update the production values and maybe present a song that fits more with how you think the song originally sounded. So largely

Tom:

agree apart from at one point, yesterday was the most covered all time, I believe it

Dan Whitell:

I think it's

Tom:

of records, there is not a single

Dan Whitell:

good cover Oh, there are. Ray Charles's cover of yesterday is than the original, and so is Marvin Gaye's version. They are both better than,

Dan B:

Marvin Gaye's version. I was listening to

Dan Whitell:

it. It's a lot more subtle and It is more of a love song. but I, think I, I'm just a sucker for Marvin

Tom:

yeah.

Dan Whitell:

Yeah. Yeah. It's,

Dan B:

I was going into it expecting to like it, and it just changed it in a way that I didn't feel the same emotional

Tom:

Nearly every cover of yesterday slows it down and as soon as they do that, it makes it worse than the original. That's my problem with it. So I think if you compare like artists being covered, I'd say like Bob Dylan for example, every time he's covered that is nearly always better than the I don't think another one..Yeah, I don't think it's necessarily true with the Beatles. I think there are lots of very good covers, but I think there are a lot of covers that I don't prefer to the original. I Listening through the list Of all the top Beatles covers and There are two covers that get put at the top all the time. One of them I agree, is probably better than the original, and one Of them is beautifully sung, but I don't think it's better than the original. And that's two covers of across the Universe, which is Fiona Apple, which I do really like, and Rufuss Wainwright, which I think is beautifully sung, but I don't think is better than the original.

Dan Whitell:

Of course, David Bowie covered it on Young Americans in 1975 as well. And I don't like the David Bowie version as much. It's, it's like the one I have to what I David Bowie being in my top three artists of all time. that's one of my favorite Bowie records. but I actually prefer the Beatles version. Maybe I'm not entirely right on that. It may be just me talking Martin what was your. favorite?

Martyn:

I was gonna choose dear Prudence, but that got stolen from me. Yeah, Susan, the Banes, but I'm gonna go with strawberry Fields forever by candy Flip. It was the nineties. Yeah, It was fucking awesome.

Dan Whitell:

It's awful fucking awesome. Go ahead. It's like a mu It's great. It's like a Mack interpretation with, the funky drummers just over the top like a tablecloth. The limp vocals that make me wonder if I'm having a coma. It's like I'm listening to a good song, but all the parts are played on instruments made of shit.

Martyn:

It's it's like going back to nineties.

Tom:

It's, so ni, It's,

Dan Whitell:

nineties. What's wrong with that?

Martyn:

But it's just wrong that. What? Because that nineties fucking Manchester thing? It's fucking

Dan Whitell:

wonderful weed is a very different drug ecstasy. And the psychedelic tinges of strawberry feels forever by the Beatles are ruined by making dancing like

Martyn:

Yeah. But

Tom:

that's

Martyn:

point that? that was the point of the song in the original place. And it was like, it's about dancing a field

Dan Whitell:

it's not about dancing. They didn't have the original, doesn't have a dance beat and it doesn't need it. It's about,

Dan B:

there's quite a good quote about the Beatles during the original from their press officer. He said cuz obviously they've been on L D and he said it was a case of four Scouts exploring inner space and just finding more and more scouter down there. And I think that quite nicely sums it up. It's, that L s D trip isn't all Or they found when they did L S D is more scouter.

Martyn:

it is. It's very scales. But anyway, I had my favorite away from me and Dan. You took

Tom:

But so the thing is Martin, I took your favorite off you and you? went for that over Hendrix's

Martyn:

it

Tom:

was It

Martyn:

you that took it from

Tom:

me? Yeah. Was it you? Yeah, It was. You took the It was me. I took that one because it's the best cover. And, and then you went for candy. For, you went for candy Flip instead of Hendrix Covering Day Tripper or Sergeant Peppers.

Martyn:

I'd forgotten them.

Dan Whitell:

Susie and the batteries had a couple. Dear Prudence, 1980 fours High album. But also, their debut record features a cover of Helter Hilter Skelter as well from 1970. and that's really good. Susie and the Banes are a, great band and they did too many

Martyn:

Su Susan and the Banes are one of the greatest bands of all time, in my opinion. They're the whole post punk fucking thing, and

Tom:

kind In, they helped invent Essentially, yeah, beginning. Yes, they did.

Martyn:

gonna let Tom speak about my favorite cover,

Tom:

it's mine as well this one is definitely better than the original. It's one of the Besa Beatles songs ruined by Ringo's drumming, but this time The Drummings better. The G I see Tan's face I discovered this song because it's actually, this song is a post punk song that is on best of the eighties compilations. It's on some like weird best of the 1980s compilation CD my parents had. And this song came on and I was like, I love this I did happen to know It was by the Beatles before, but I instantly liked it better than the Beatles version. It's cooler basically. What was it? Color

Martyn:

is the best term. it really is Yeah. Like that guitar part is so perfect.

Tom:

yeah,

Martyn:

It's way

Dan Whitell:

better than the original. It adds an edge. Yeah. Yeah. Dan, you had a really interesting one.

Dan B:

Yeah. And I'll be honest, it wasn't one I was familiar with before, basically looking up a bunch of Beatles.

Dan Whitell:

Yeah. I didn't know it.

Dan B:

so I picked Day Tripper, but by Jose Felician, is that how you say it? It's it's not that different I don't think to the original. I dunno, there's just a, there's a, nice feel to it. It's very similar. I think one of the things that stands for it is that apparently John Lenon hated covers of their songs, but this was one that actually he approved of Oh. Stamp

Dan Whitell:

of

Dan B:

Approval. you've got the John Lenon seal of approval for this. And I, It's also, again, it's a, it's one of those covers that was at the time, it wasn't years and years later. So I think we're looking at a whole array of covers, When trying to choose all the way from that to Billy Eilish This is really cool. It's just him and another guy with a big double bass just playing. Sounds brilliant. I really would recommend people to check it out

Dan Whitell:

If you're not familiar with Jose Feliciano you'll know his most famous song gets played every year and it's Fise Navad his Christmas song. Yes. So he's a Brazilian banger. Yeah. Brazilian Latin folk jazz. He's got Jodi Mitchell music. He's good. I like home name yeah, Felic Navad is the one that everybody knows and they don't, know it's him. favorite Beatles cover. It's obvious for anyone who's been listening to the podcast any of the other episodes and know that I'm a a raging prince maniac because Prince in 2004 covered while my guitar weeps for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ceremony, which was actually a tribute to George Harrison after he years earlier. Most people, I imagine if you've ever used YouTube and have searched for a guitar solo on YouTube, you've it starts off as a straight cover with, an all-star cast. It's got Danny Harrison, who is George Harrison's son. It's got Jeff Lynn, Tom Petty. It's also got Steve Wynwood who is playing on keyboards, who's another great in his own right from traffic. And Mark Mann, who was playing guitar in, largely in Jeff Lynn's backing band and also helped to finish off George Harrison's posthumous 2002 release brainwashed. And it seems fine. Everything's going according to plan. And then Prince steps up towards the end and is allowed to do his guitar solo. And he just makes while my guitar gently weeps his own song, he takes that song from the Beatles and he makes it his own. He throws guitar into the air, it never comes down, and Prince leaves the, stage like some sort of alien presence. The Beatles song is great. I like the original but this version takes it to another level and makes it one of the greatest guitar The solo is insanely good. He's showboating all the way through it. throws himself back and caught by a security guard as he's stage diving whilst soloing. Danny Harrison loves it. He's got the coolest It's the best Beatles cover. I

Tom:

agree. That is

Martyn:

literally best guitar solo I've ever heard in

Dan Whitell:

my entire life. It's gotta be up

Martyn:

As a guitar player, I can say, If I could have done half of he was, doing in That solo would've made

Tom:

it.

Martyn:

It's

Tom:

perfect

Dan Whitell:

in every way. choice

Dan B:

the best cover you've won. This is easily the best cover. If I Yeah, it could have chosen it. I I would've done,

Dan Whitell:

Wasn't letting you I dunno. But yeah, Mark Mann, the guitarist, Who does the the solos in the first half of it is essentially just playing. What was Eric Clapton on the studio and He's essentially just mimicking the same licks and riffs that Eric Clapton plays. And then the spotlight comes down on Prince and he just gets given about three minutes to absolutely whale. If you haven't seen it, check it out on YouTube. It's one of the greatest performances It's Prince. I'm not going to pass up an opportunity to have Prince win something on this podcast. And for me,

Tom:

No,

Dan Whitell:

we

Tom:

can't. Cause be two things he can't win that'll be two in a row.

Dan Whitell:

you haven't seen our Cat News episode, go check it out because Prince is also the best Super Bowl halftime show of all time

Tom:

I know.

Dan Whitell:

be, to

Tom:

be, To be fair too,

Dan Whitell:

There are also some other really good ones. was I. imagining someone might call me up because it's a live cover, So if I was gonna be pushed for a studio cover, I really love the Carpenter's version of Ticket to Ride, But because Karen Carpenter could sing the phone book and would've sounded amazing. Wilson

Dan B:

Picketts. Hey, Jude is also another. one that pointed out earlier, it's absolutely lovely. Yeah.

Dan Whitell:

It's

Dan B:

than the

Dan Whitell:

the original. Yeah. Hey, Jude is a Ma mate song. You either love it or hate it. I actually love it. I think it's great. But the Wilson Picket song takes it to another level. It's this southern soul behemoth and it's got Dwayne Norman on guitar. On the slide. Guitar is absolutely Wilson Pickett, of course, being the guy who sang Land of a Thousand and, various other soul hits with a big, powerful voice And he makes, Hey, Jude sound like the soul ballad. It probably should have always

Dan B:

also really quite liked. The Earth, wind and Fire cover of got to get You into my

Dan Whitell:

Yeah, that's ano cool. That is another one that's better than the original. And I think, I can't remember, might have been Paul McCartney, but they actually wrote that song. to attempt to write a Motown r b style hit, and then it was covered by Earth, wind and Fire. And I think it was Paul McCartney. He said that's what the song should have always sounded like. because It gives it the funk energy it needed.

Tom:

One, cover I'm gonna mention because it was mentioned in our group chat by another member of the who's not here tonight And I've gotta mention, yeah. Godheads cover of Eleanor Rigby, cuz I'm pretty sure I remember that being in the charts for ages. I don't actually like it at

Dan Whitell:

all. I quite liked it. Industrial metal version of it it it is very 2001. Eleanor Rigby is such a magnificent song that there's not a lot you could do to it that would make it sound bad

Dan B:

Oh, I think anything being done to it would ruin it. That's almost off the

Dan Whitell:

way I, yeah. it is not, an idiosyncratic song for me. Like a Purple Rain would be where I don't think you can cover Purple Rain because everything about it is Prince brings to the performance. Whereas I think the strength of Eleanor Rigby in the songwriting. I think it's a well constructed song. So I think it lends its itself well to cover performances because the power of the song is in how it's arranged personally.

Dan B:

Then I think you'd have to play it as a very straight. cover.

Dan Whitell:

Yeah. Oh yeah.

Tom:

The vocal is a very straight cover

Dan B:

anybody listen to the damned version of help that was mental? I haven't heard It's like a very weird kind of punk sort of sounding version of help. It's equally cool, but pretty terrible at the same time, but worth her. Listen, The only other one is one that you mentioned quite a bit earlier when you said about Joe Cocker's version of whether it'll help from my that Yes, was really

Dan Whitell:

good. There's also, I wanna hold your hand by Al Green. His soulful version of that is great, but I'm listening to myself here and I'm thinking I may only just like these because I prefer the artists that cover them. So I don't know if they're necessarily better. I just prefer the voices Wilson Pickett. I prefer the voice of Al Green, It is largely down to personal tastes. I think ultimately if you've got songs that are this strong, there's always gonna be shit loads of good covers

Dan B:

I dunno where fits in the podcast at all, but shout out to Worms. Worms was the first place that I ever really knew the names of the four Beatles. Oh yeah, the original worms PlayStation, and probably PC as well, one of the teams. So you'd had four worms in team and one of the teams were called the Fab Four, and you had George, Ringo, John, Paul. I remember that my very first introduction

Dan Whitell:

Yeah.

Dan B:

those

Dan Whitell:

beings. Well, I think that just speaks for how much of an impact they've had on pop As I was saying earlier, starts sixties with, Beatles as we know it now. With big album releases, heavily promoted singles and recognizable band members that have an army of a dawning fans. I it all goes back to the Beatles. whether or not you think that their albums are masterpieces, or whether you think that they're a little messy, and whether you think that a particular song is great or not, I think that you can't that they are pivotal in the conversation to starting everything that we discuss on this So all of the conversations that we have about various forms of Lock, pop, soul, the, Beatles are the CT extinction event. All yeah. It's they created a media creator the size of Mexico, killed all the dinosaurs, and then created a new world that we all live in now, which has pop stars that we hate thrown in our faces. And all that kind of The, cynic side of fame, I think a lot of it stems from how people reacted they put Britain on the map. In America, no band has ever really captured the same success from here as the Beatles did in America.

Tom:

There is one British band that broke America as well as The Beatles probably.

Dan Whitell:

And that's their contemporaries? Rolling Stones. No.

Tom:

It's one direction, isn't it? Oh, I hate to say it, but it's true. I don't want that to be the case.

Dan Whitell:

They were massive.

Tom:

yeah, they were there was the British invasion that The Beatles started into America. So bands looking to break America. So you had the kinks did fairly well. The Rolling Stones did fairly well. None of them matched the Beatles, But they did well enough to make a living out of

Dan Whitell:

I actually thought the other day, I'm gonna go back and listen to a one Direction album. I think if I can go back and listen to The Beatles, 19 63, 19 64 records, then compare them to what One Direction Made in say, 2011, I'll be an interest in But I have already ruined my street credibility by listening Pipes Peace, tug of War, Ebony and Ivory, so many bad songs. I can't have one Direction Also showing on my recently Played for the moment, to go there another

Tom:

that might be another episode. Listen along to One Direction,

Dan Whitell:

we didn't get any undeniable bangers on this. Any, no, we didn't.

Dan B:

I mean, we, they, we could have named like five Beatles songs as undeniable bangers. Surely.

Dan Whitell:

I would say tomorrow Nedos is an unable. agreed. Yeah. All right. a day in the life,

Dan B:

I think here

Tom:

No. here comes The sun. and come together. I'd do, but not a day in life. It's, it just doesn't, I don't think it's popular enough.

Dan Whitell:

I would say come together, here comes the sun And tomorrow never knows. I'm happy to put in Yeah, I'd put those three tomorrow. Never knows.

Martyn:

in agreement tomorrow. Neno, get that in there.

Tom:

Yeah.

Dan Whitell:

I'd agree on those. those are thoughts on the Beatles And whether you find them informative, you plainly disagree or whether you were just. Listening along, not really paying any attention, and like the bright colors let us know and to hit us up on social media. Before we go there, we've gotta decide what we are going to be covering on our next episode.

Dan B:

Quite like to listen to some new music, quote unquote.

Dan Whitell:

We could do a chart one again.

Dan B:

some sort of chart episode I think would really

Dan Whitell:

into a top 10?

Dan B:

It probably hasn't changed in the last year has it, it's probably

Dan Whitell:

same track. Well, We did the UK one in 2021 and we did the US chart in 2022. So

Tom:

stupid

Dan Whitell:

like this? Japanese it was painful. I'm not doing the Japanese chart,

Dan B:

how we gonna

Dan Whitell:

fill two hours where none of us understood any of the lyrics or what has happened I don't know. I think what we should do is, I think we should it's been almost two years since we looked at the UK chart so we can go back in I'm sure it's changed since God,

Tom:

I bet you one of the, I bet you one of the songs is still there

Dan Whitell:

We'll dip into, the chart and see What's there. Hopefully there'll be some Drake for Al to his teeth into, I dunno what this is be. we'll see you on the, next episode of the Cacophony Sessions let's know your thoughts on The Beatles. In the meantime, stay funky. none of you are gonna say anything. Just let me die on my ass as we

Dan B:

Beatles were good. Woo.

Martyn:

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